you are not going to call a plumber from china to unclog your toilet or a welder. neil: so now you are saying that we have to encourage this. so we put almost a scarlet letter to a? >> it is hollywood's fixation they came out of the charlie chaplin view of factory workers. it's not like that anymore. you have to have computer skills. people who give advice to high school kids should say, start educating kids like we used to. neil: even if they found their jobs that don't pay what they used to, in this environment, it will pay you anything you are going to get and you will be grateful for it. >> the government has to understand. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] neil: what about barack obama? >> the government needs to get out of the way. manufacturing is to america what spinach is to popeye. the strength of america is manufactured. neil: yodon't think we can have a great country based on service? >> again, you go back to our terminals and electricity has to come through there. where you get do you get that from? a hydroelectric dam words power tha